Jabasten Joseph wrote on Saturday, 03rd January 2015
Its great to see the histories of NADARs....thank the admin whole heartedly...still many personalities r left out...happy if it s added...Valga Nadar kulam,Valarga en Nadar Kula makkal...
Thanks for the comments. Get involved in the field. Read good historical books and work for it.
siva prasadh, sivakasi wrote on Tuesday, 16th December 2014
the records are saying ancient writer is belongs to nadar? How they bring the detail till now? 60000 years before records are genuine? Tell me nadar complete details journals
According to the first historian of the world, Herodotus, it was the Toddy Tappers of south India who went on International Trade and spread the Art of Writing toa the Greks and Ionians. Egypt rulers also had gone from India. The Incas of Canada and America asay that they are the descendants of the "Vedar" community of India. But, the Aryans who invaded India had misled the Indian history. It is your duty to bring the truth to the light. Do hard work towards that direction. Thanks.
AAron wrote on Tuesday, 02nd December 2014
Iam a Nadar of Kanyakumari and reached ur site during my research. Of late Iam trying to find out my family history. For the past 9 generations we are living near Padmanapapuram Palace. The family legend has it that our forefather was a Thalapathi in Koon Pandians Palace(11th century). When Koon Pandian converted to Hinduism from Jain faith he asked all his courtiers to convert.Further he commanded to give his sister in marriage (Thaithuva vivakam) to the brahmin who performed the cleansing puja against her wish. She committed suicide instead of converting. This made the thalapathi to run away from madurai and settled down in travancore and was helped by the nasranis in thiruvancode ( place of the oldest church) and eventually converted into christian as jain preachings coincided with christian preachings.
Now I want somebody to throw more light on 11th century social setup, what happened when there was a change in religion of a king.
It is amazing, interesting and wonderfully coincided with our history. The originator of Jainism, Sri Mahaviira was the "Son of a Nada- Nataputtha". His statue is installed in the Nagarammar Coil of Nagercoil. See my first Book, The Dravidian Lineage -Nadars through the Ages. I am very much interested to hear your history. If you are from Kanyakumari district, it is easy to come into contact with us. Pl. give your address, we shall come and contact you. Be ready to come for the book realas funtion Eraniyel Palace. In the 8th century they killed 8000 Jains in a single day!! We need to do more research.
Parthasarathy Chozhan wrote on Tuesday, 02nd December 2014
Hello sir, I am belonging to seenanthoppu, RaoBahadur Ratnasamy Nadar founder of nadar mahajana sangam also belonging to our family.. iyvar raja were ruled south side at 16th century, only son of the elder king is veera sekara chozhan, during a war the king ordered his commander to take the veera sekara chozhan to tiruvandrum region under the king ruled in tiruvandrum, seenan nadar is the one who belong to the veera sekara chozhan nadar.. I need the history between veera sekara chozhan and seenan nadar.. if u know any of the history please share with me sir..
These days, very very interesting comments are coming. I am very much impressed by your story. History says one Siina (China Nadan)Nadan who was leading the temple entry movement of Nadars around the 19th century AD. All these things are to be discussed and studied carefully. It seems that we need conduct an all India Conference- for such research study. Get prepared for it. Keep in touch.
Govindaraj Duraipandian wrote on Saturday, 20th September 2014
The birth of Tamil language is equal to birth of nadar(Kumari continent) Nadars means Pandian and Tamil. During pandian period only no caste system. A formed community devar is Cholas. During manu needhi chozhan period caste system was present. Tamil birth period (tamil siddhar Lord Muruga nadan period) is equal to English (or christianity) birth period. All tamil grammar authors belongs to nadar community. Ilangovadigal and Kannagi belongs to nadar community. Korkai is the captial of pandian. For commerical growth, dravida hindi and sanskrit mixers should not use nadar community and tamil language. All southern districts in tamil nadu belongs to Tamilar inam. I request all northern districts of tamil nadu name yourself as tamilar instead of dravidars. Dravida naadu endru kettavargalukku Kaathil tamil naadu endru peyarai maatra vendum endru sandai pottu sonnavargal nadargal. The chief minister of Tamil is nadar. Without nature no tamil and nadar & without tamil and nadar no nature. Nature Tamil and Nadar are inter linked. 2 lines and 4 lines munnar vaazhnthavargal nadargal. Pillaimaar communitya serntha aiyan thiruvalluvar and avvaiyaar nadargalukku miga nerukkamaanavargal. Itha iruvarin tamil ilakkiyathai protect seithavargal nadargal. Tamil enpathu pandianin mozhi and Tamilar enpathu pandianin inam.
Hi, Pandyan, thanks for comments. Thiruvalluvar belongs to all international communities. Some foolish people want to put him some particular community. If at all it be put, scientifically, by research, he be put with "Nayanar" of the earliest Tamils, which word, according to Nagam Aiya of State Manual, belongs to one of the epithets of "Nadalwars" as one of the 63 Saints of "Sashtikulotbhava". The Tamils have lost their history, language and even original culture. let us do our duty to it. Thanks again.
Nadalvan wrote on Sunday, 22nd June 2014
In the 19th century the British missionaries started promoting Sanskrit language of Namubdiris The Grantha Bhasa written with Tigalari script. The British promoted the Grantha Bhasa as Malayalam while abandoning the Malayanma. In 1815 the British started teaching the Syrian Christian priests Grantha Bhasa of Nambudiris at Church Mission Society Kottayam. In 1844 the British started a Sanskrit college under Father Chavara Kuriakose Achan. No Kerala Christian books written with modern Malayalam script or language can be found prior to the British established their rule in the 19th century.
However the Europeans did not succed in their efforts to replace Malayanma completely. In the latter period the Malayanma words got integrated to Grantha Bhasa and a Grantha Malayalam written with Tigalari (Tulu) script was made the standard in the 19th century.
Destruction of Malayanma also destroyed most of the traditional Malayanma books in Kerala.
Actually Kerala has only few books written by Nambudiris in the 17th century onwards which are basically Sanskrit books with eighty percent Sanskrit and 20 percent Malayalam.
Some books from Malayanma era do exist.
Many of the Palm leaf manuscripts of Kerala display a language which closely resemble Tamil. Ravikuttipilla Por a book written in 17th century at Travancore virtually indistinquishable from Tamil. Vadakkan Pattukal and few other Kerala folk songs donâ€™t use Sanskrit as Malayanma used no Sanskrit.
Now many of the Dravidian Malayalis never realize how the British duped them by teaching them Grantha Bhasa written with Tulu Script. But Nadan Malayalam hardly uses Sanskrit and its coming back once again. Strangely Malayalam is much more closer to Sangham Tamil than modern Tamil. Thus all the words in Thirukural can be found in Malayalam not in Tamil despite the fact it is Sancritised.
This is some precipitated, incomplete research or conclusion. Dr.Gundert worked in Malayalam language. Almost ll missionaries tried to study local languages in India., example, Caldwell who gave the concept of "Dravidian" to Indian thought. Because the Indus Seals were not available to him, during times, he too could not go deeper into the Tamil heritage, yet he had contributed the "The Tamil Oppilakkanam". Let us be bit more serious.
murugan wrote on Sunday, 18th May 2014
very nice effort.sir please tell how shanars kings to palm climbers in the history.nadar and shanar is same .how we got this community name
The history of Nadars still remain a mystery. Many invasions to India has covered and overlapped our history. Sanskritization another factor. Malayalization in the 17th and 19th century is the cause for burying a "Palm-Culture" among the Nadar Kings. This culture is ended in 1810 by poisoning and killing the Nadar king by the combination of the Dalawa and the British. For details: read the new Research book: "The Forgotten Dynasty Behind the Biggest Hoards of India" from amazon.com. Also read earliest Tamil literature.Thanks.
kamaraj wrote on Wednesday, 30th April 2014
please make some practical comments or add some new information. Join in our research.Thanks.
Grace wrote on Thursday, 20th March 2014
Hello... I am from Tenkasi..I just want to read some historical book about nadars. Suggest me one recent book and where I purchase it?
Thanks for your interest. Thenkasi is an important place for Nadar history. Do some research. The latest book for Nadar history is "The Forgotten Dynasty Behind the Biggest Hoards of India" available at amazon.com. Other books: Dravidian Lineages, Kanyakumari Aspects,Anatomy of a Folklore, Sons of Soil Vs. Migrants, by M.Immanuel. In Malayalam : Nadu Unarthiya Nadar Porrattangal. by Prof. Darwin. You can keep in touch with us we shall guide you. thanks.
jerald pandiya nadar wrote on Saturday, 01st March 2014
Hi sir...tnx for ur hardwork for our nadar family..I have a question sir...is aggarwal is our nadar
Deeper researches about history of India and Nadars reveal more than 250 present caste-groups coming under Chalukyas, Rashtakutas, Gangas, Talakas, Heheyas, Jayaswal,etc., explained the book: The Dravidian Lineages-the Nadars through the Ages. The Agarwals fall in one among such groups. Sanskritisation has divided our kindred groups. thanks.
arun wrote on Saturday, 01st March 2014
Any one know about narayanar pattam ,my grandfather said his forefathers got narayanar pattam
Thanks for the query. There is honourary title called "Nayanar". It belongs to early Nadars. It is diluted to "Nainar" used by the brother-community, Maravar. The title, as you say, : "Narayanar" must have been a very old one used during he cleavage of Nadars into Saivites and Vaishnavites. Narayanar is a Vaishnavite title. pl. give more details about your background. thanks.
Rubesh wrote on Friday, 31st January 2014
sir i have one doubt nadar caste where is come from and any kings have in nadar caste
We are still travelling in the muddled mud of camouflaged Ocean of history to find out the whole truth. Our Sangm literature show us that the Leader (LORD=KING) of land was Naden which term was sanskritised by the Aryans as "Kshatriya". All the indigenous kings had been from the Kindred groups of Naden, later divided into many clans, tribes and nomenclature traced in 250 names in India. Their origin is said to be the Lamurian Continent where the later Pandyans have lost their kingdom in the submerged kingdom (Nilam-tharu-thiruvir Pandyan, Ezhu Panai Nadu, etc). Help us do more research.
Saravanan Nadar wrote on Saturday, 16th November 2013
Are the Aadhithan Family of Thiruchendur descendents of Pandyas? I have read that this family has more than 500 years of history in connection with the Thiruchendur Murugan Temple.
Yes, it is true. There are many many families like that who are the scattered descendants of the Chera, Chola Pandyas. Thanks.
Franco Lefer wrote on Monday, 14th October 2013
Nadars are great
Thanks, but try to find the entire history . Join us and do some research yourself. thanks.
R.V.Kannan nadar wrote on Wednesday, 02nd October 2013
Hello sir .Chola mannarkalum nadarthana.
Yes. All the Chera, Chola, Pandya indigenous rulers, kings were Nadars. The Chola king of 11th century AD, Raja raja Chola, in his "Inscription in a Kanyakumri temple" reveals his identity of root as "NADALWAN". Read the book : "the forgotten Dynasty Behind the Biggest Hoards of India" available at amazon.com. thanks.
MANIKANDAN wrote on Tuesday, 01st October 2013
i am nadar manikandan i nadar history like
Thank you Manikandan
Anbazhagan wrote on Monday, 09th September 2013
m very proud of this site and the viewers comments authors reply, Ilike it . am very proud of the member from this community . I wants to know more nadar personalities
Please collect and contribute more information on Nadar Personalities from information of your grand-parents and ancestors. If authenticated, we will include. thanks
Aroon wrote on Wednesday, 28th August 2013
Do you have any information about Boothathan chempakaperumal nadir? My ancestors say that he was some kind of a rich man who even had influence on the king of Travancore. Even now his cemetery has the sign of Travancore state symbol.
Boothathan was a great title among Nadalwars of early times. Even my ancestors had this title. You are talking about the Travancore symbol in the Grave-yard of your ancestors. It is very great. Why not take a photograph and send it to us. We can share it with many readers. Thanks.
k.a.m.parthasarathy wrote on Wednesday, 21st August 2013
this message is more useful to know about the history of nadars and ihope again tamil community will get a great leader to lead the tamils against tyranny.
Thanks for comments. See the new Book on Nadars, in amazon.com
G. Sekar wrote on Wednesday, 21st August 2013
Sir, There is a place in Kanyakumari called Ananthanadarkudieruppu. Kindly let me know the history of the place.
The place is on he way to Colachel from Konam. All these places were belonging to Dalapathy Warrior Anandapadmanaban Nadar, given in many of the Tax free Grant by Martanda Varma in 1748 AD. The Warrior was poisoned and killed in 1750 AD, by the Pillamar group. There was a big temple. Now those temples are demolished and today there stands the government High school, originally started by Missionaries around 1828 times. Old history is forgotten. You can start research on it.
Jagdish wrote on Saturday, 10th August 2013
I have heard my dad saying that we bunts from Tulu Nadu are connected to the Nadars of Tamil Nadu...any thing on this..?
Yes. Your father is right. Read books by Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai (1956- Malayalam), the Dravidian Lineages, 2002, and new book "The Forgotten Dynasty Behind the Biggest Hoards of India"(2014) all English. search Amazon.com
primlal wrote on Tuesday, 16th July 2013
i want to know more accurate evidence about anthapadmanabhan nadar ,, the senapathy of travancore,,, i searched but there is no information about him? why ,, but one of the malayalam newspaper published matters about him and his grave yard .. so i belive it is true ,, but i want to know more about him,, any one can share me the true details of him not exagerated things plz
Warrior Ananda Padmanaban Nadar was born in 1698, became the guide and Kalari Guru of Prince Martanda Varma in 1729, made him the King in 1729 against the Thampimar and Nambutiri Brahmins. The King granted 21 Grants to him for saving him from the enemies many times. It was the greatest Gift that any King ever had given. The enemies poisoned the warrior in 1750 AD and killed him. With his death the King surrendered his kingdom to the family deity: Anandapadmanabha where the biggest Hoards of India are detected. See new book "The Forgotten Dynasty Behind the Biggest Hoards of India" at Amazon.com . Also read "Anatomy of a Folklore-the Spy of king Martanda Varma". Thanks. Keep in touch.
S.SARAVANAN wrote on Saturday, 22nd June 2013
Thanks for the Information about the Nadar History............
Shanthi wrote on Friday, 07th June 2013
Nadars are the masters of ancient martial art varmakalai. visit www.varmakalailive.com
Thanks a lot for boldly claiming the Varma Kalai belongs to Nadars. Many people are ashamed to take the name these days, as Nadars. Read the new book: The forgotten Dynasty Behind the Biggest Hoards of India, at Amazon.com
jijo william nadar wrote on Tuesday, 04th June 2013
can u suggest a book of malayalam 2 read abt nadars history and i have dout that sri narayana guru is a nadar or not?????
Dear Mr. Jijo William,
"Nadar Charitram by late Kochukrishnan Nadar; Nadu Unarthiya Naadar Porraattangal -Prof. Darwin" Thanks.
Sathish Nadar wrote on Saturday, 04th May 2013
Could you compare the population of nadar with thevar?
These are sister communities, I do not want to compare. Do it yourself. thanks.
Mathews Mar Gregorios wrote on Thursday, 02nd May 2013
Please note that Nadar Community really a wonderful group of people having well pleased manners. Do you thithey are Nadar people and Ezhava people are one and same and if so what are the differences and positions in the socity>
Respected Mar Gregorious,
Today, after Sanskritization, there are many castes in India. We were all one community in the early Tamil civilization which contributed to the Shamites, Hittites, Menoins, Phoenicians etc. The Nadars, by occupation took to Palmyrah Palm, symbolized as the mark of "Justice" in the Bible; the Ezhavas took Coconut Palm and the Edigas took Date-Palms. Someway, the history of Ezhavas are much mutilated and amalgamated with the history of Channans, especially after 16th century AD, but the Edigas established an Empire to rule almost half the world through their trade from 1300 to 1610, so to say, till 1807 when they lost to French and the British. We have to do grass-root analysis. We consider these communities are sister communities of Nadalwars who has a bright history and past. Read the new book:
THE FORGOTTEN DYNASTY BEHIND THE BIGGEST HOARDS OF INDIA. available at Amazon.com
Rajan Edward wrote on Monday, 22nd April 2013
Music Director Harris Jayaraj is a real hit person from Nadar community. I know a Nadar friend who says Harris Jayaraj is his relative, his family is from Tirunelveli. Also as I heard his sister is married to son of V.G.P Pannerselvam who is also a Nadar.
Edward, Thanks for the information. contribute your research.
VARUN wrote on Sunday, 14th April 2013
PLEASE REFER TO YOUR COMMENT OF PORAYAR NADAR. THE FOUNDER OF NADAR MAHAJANA SANGAM IS RAO BAHADHUR T.RATHINASAMY NADAR OF PORAIYAR. HIS GREAT GRANDFATHER PERUMALSAMY NADAR MIGRATED TO PORAIYAR DUE TO LAND DISPUTE WITH HIS BROTHERS AFTER THE DEMISE OF HIS FATHER IN SEENANTHOPPU, A VILLAGE NEAR TIRUCHENDUR. PLEASE REFER TO www.thenadarsofporaiyar for further details. I BELONG TO SEENANTHOPPU FAMILY.
Basically, the "Porraiyar" title belongs to the early rulers of Chera land from 6000 BC. It has its history with Kollam and Kodungallur. It ends with King Kulasekara Perumal of 1810, killed by treason. Read: The forgotten Dynasty Behind the Biggest Hoards of India. see Amazon.com
Nadar wrote on Monday, 25th March 2013
The film Celluloid released at February 2012 is based on the life story of JC Daniel Nadar who is considered as the father of Malayalam Cinema.The film was directed by Kamal and the hero was Sukumarans son Pritivi Raj. Sukumaran like Tikkurissi had been a favorite actor of many Travancore people. Daniel was also credited for the establishment of first Kerala studio, Travancore National Studio at Pattom. JC Daniel who directed the first Malayalam silent movie Vigatha Kumaran (Lost Child)was the son of a Doctor (Apothecary) who practised at Trivandrum Government Hospital at the end of 19th century.JC Daniels father was trained at England and was born at Changanacherry. JC Daniel himself was born at Neyyatinkara or Augustheeswaram in 1897.The film Vigatha Kumaran was shot at a cost of four lakh rupees an enormous amount in that era. Vigatha Kumaran was shot at Trivandrum and Colombo, Sri Lanka.Vigatha Kumaran ran into trouble on its first screening at Trivandrum. When the Hero of the film (JC Daniel) was attempting to touch the flower on the head of the Heroine, in the film, the angry crowd stopped the film from being screened at Capitol Theatre Trivandrum in 1928. JC Daniel studied Dental surgery and was practising at Palayamkotta. JC Daniel died a dejected man in 1975.Before his death old JC Daniel who had lost all his wealth sought the help of Kerala Government.Chelankadu Gopalakrishnan had stated in his book that K.Karunakaran who was cultural affairs minister in that time refused to acknowledge that Vigatha Kumaran was the first Malayalam film. Malayattor Ramakrishna Iyer who was the Secretary at the Cultural affairs ministry allegedly favoured a film directed by TR Sundharam a Tamil Brahmin who had established the Modern Theatre at Salem. Balan the film directed by TR Sundaram and released at 1938 was a classic as well as it was the first talking film. Malayattoor Ramakrishnan had been a much acclaimed writer who wrote many books including Ponni which depicted the life style of Attappady tribals. Karunakaran and Malayattoor also refused to issue the the old age pension of 100 Rs per month awarded to the artists. The reason given was JC Daniel was not a Malayalee and not a resident of Kerala.(All the Nadars including Malayali Nadars have Tamil roots). JC Daniel was advised to get help from Tamil Nadu Government for directing the first Malayalam film. In 1963-64 when the Kerala Chamber of Commerce celebrated the Silver Jubilee of Malayalam Cinema starting from Balan (1938) they felicitated TR Sundharam despite protests from Chelangatt Gopalakrishnan. Chelangatt Gopalakrishnan who was a board member in the cultural affairs ministry in that era had suggested JC Daniel should have been given his due credit. Chelangatt Gopalakrishan who hails from Cherthala in the Alappuzha District wrote a book J C Danielinte Jeevitha Katha in which he categorically described the events which led to the denial of the Status of Father of Malayalam cinema.JC Daniel died unsung after protracted illness at 1975. Except for the persistent efforts of Chelangatt Gopalakrishnan Kerala would have forgotten JC Daniel. Chelangatt discovered that the first film had been destroyed completely when JC Daniels second son playfuly had burned away all the film rolls. JC Daniel was honoured posthumously when the Kerala Government instituted JC Daniel award in 1992. Ironically Mr.K.Karunakaran was the Chief minister in that period.
The first actress of Malayalam Cinema was PK Rosie alias Rajamma. Rajamma fearing reprisals from Nairs fled Trivandrum and lived at Vadassery Nagercoil and Tiruchirappally. She had been a Christian but reconverted to Hinduism and adopted her former name Rajamma. The lorry driver Kesava Pillai who resqued her from the angry crowd had had married her. Rosy alias Rajamma had learned weaving, an occupation gave her a living. She was never acknowledged as the first Malayali film heroine.
Celluloid was screened in February 2012 and met with moderate success.It has been selected as the Best Malayalam picture in the 60th National film awards for the year 2012.
It is so sweet to hear your research on Rosie (Rajamma)the first heroine of our land. We need to give respect to her story. If available, kindly give us the full details. You can write about her in a Tamil magazine "Amudam" relesed from Nagercoil. Thanks.
H.SHARON wrote on Thursday, 21st March 2013
you have quoted "Valamkaimaalai" as reference for nadar history. how did you get that palm leaf text is any scanned copy avaliable?
I have the original Palm-leaf text with me, got from Sri Chithirai Nadar of historical Nattalam, in 1968. I have seen other copies too.
Samraj wrote on Saturday, 09th March 2013
Nadar community Genetic analysis reveal some commonalities with Indo-China (APAC) regions, it has to be studied in detail
Hello Sir Samraj,
Yes, it is to be studied in more details. This study can curtail the snoopy claims of many.
P.A.SUGUMAR wrote on Wednesday, 06th March 2013
WE HAVE TO COLLECT THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCES WHICH WILL BE SAFEGUARDED BY US IN OUR MUSEUM. WE HAVE TO COLLECT THE DETAILS WHICH WILL BE REGISTERED PROPERLY AND RECORDED.THEN ONLY WE WILL SHOW OUR COMMUNITY PRIDE.
Yes, Sir, let us do it. See the new book"
THE FORGOTTEN DYNASTY BEHIND THE BIGGEST HOARDS OF INDIA, at Amazon.com
dtharanee wrote on Friday, 01st March 2013
I read the history of Nadars, liked it, very informative ! But did not read viewers view and replies so do not know if someone has already asked the very question I am asking here and if you have already replied to it; are the Pallavas a part of / related to Nadars or are they aryans or aryan instigated other people ? Nothing was mentioned about the pallava kings/kingdom though north indian kingdoms were mentioned in the history here. By asking this question I want to know the truth rather than to demean anyone so please excuse me if I am asking anything wrong. Thank you.
Pallavars are a mixed rulers originated from Nadalwars, but much inclined to foreign immigrants. We need more research to segregate such margins. Read the new book:
THE FORGOTTEN DYNASTY BEHIND THE BIGGEST HOARDS OF INDIA. SEE Amazon.com
Sivaraj wrote on Tuesday, 19th June 2012
really it is amazing.But i need more details regarding our ancestors and what is our culture in old days and how we lived in old days and how we are now.
but nowadays we are dominated by other peoples as we are backward class and like manythings. even today still in villages we are like slaves.
Yes we have to be careful in these days.
SURIAN wrote on Thursday, 14th June 2012
PAANDIMAADHEVI NOVEL POINTS OUT PLACES LIKE PODHIGAIMALAI, MUNCHIRAI, THOLKAAPIAR,NAANKU KOOTRANKAL,PAHRULIYAARU, ETC.
REFER WIKIPEDIA/YOUTUBE FOR MAPS/VIDEOS OF LEMURIA (THENKUMARI)KANDAM.
THE FACT IS THAT PRESENT KANYAKUMARI IS JUST THE REMNANT OF ANCIENT (PRE-SANGAM PERIOD)KUMARIKKANDAM
Rajesh wrote on Thursday, 12th April 2012
Is there any Pandyan blooded nadars living in Trivandrum,Kerala?
Yes, all the Chera, Chola , Pandiya rulers were of Nadar Origin, including in the Northern Chalukyas. Our Dynasty was corrupted and dislodged only after 15th and 16th century AD
DURAISINGH NADAR wrote on Friday, 30th March 2012
THANKS FOR KNOW MY NADAR HISTORY
Thanks for comment
s.r.jeynathen wrote on Monday, 19th March 2012
really all info s are good...try to write in Tamil. i already share this page to our nadars Facebook.great job...my wishes..
Thanks for the comment. We will try to put it in Tamil also
Kalaiselvan Nadar wrote on Thursday, 15th March 2012
Sir I need some info regarding that in Nadar community was there any king called Thavasi Nadar. Please confirm and let us know.
About this site it is very beautiful,simple.
And from this site I came to know many thinks about the Nadars from Origin.
Please keep this good work for our up coming generation.
He was known to be a local chieftain. No other other information available
Madhansigamaninadar wrote on Tuesday, 13th March 2012
nice info. for nadar!!! but i have one doubt thever also called as mukullathor! they are telling mukullathor means chera,chola and pandyas! or they telling wrong info.!!??
Thanks for your comments. The caste system in India became prominent only after 8th century AD after Sankaracharya. Before that all the people of India had a brotherhood icon. Hence it might be true that Thevar were also an offshoot of early Nadar tribes.
sudharsan wrote on Saturday, 11th February 2012
does something called Lemuria continent existed??? i hears that it was the ancient pandyan kingdom and was ruled by nadan pandyans....
தென்பாலி நாடன் ராகன்
Thanks for your comments, yes you are right
Muthukumaran wrote on Wednesday, 18th January 2012
This Site is so helpful, not only to nadars, but also for anyone who likes history. To add about Porayar Nadar Family, T. Gurusamy Nadar of Porayar (Brother of Rao Bhadur T. Ratnasamy Nadar, Founder of Nadar Mahajana Sangam) held the famous "Zamindari rights" in an auction, around 1919 and became the "Zamindar of Ariyalur". But he died in the following year!
Thanks for your comments
prasath wrote on Monday, 16th January 2012
plz explain what SHAANAR MEANS
According to early lexicon the word "Shanar" is " Sharp sworded". According to Jaina and Budhist tradition the word means " One who possess great knowledge. According to Ayya Vaigunda Swamikal the word means " One who always see the invisible , ie God "
"Thona Porulai thudarthu Kaanum Mannavan avan Channan"
After the 16th century AD this term was degraded by the formation of Malayalam language
SURIAN wrote on Monday, 09th January 2012
Try to find the novel PAANDIMAADEVI written by Na.PARTHASRATHY which contains a story of THENPAANDI kings era in Kumarikkandam
My father used to tell us that one of his great grand mothers saved the life of Marthanda Varma, Maharaja of Kalkulam [Thiruvithankoor] when he was running for his life from his enemies Ettu Veetu Pillaimar. That old lady covered the young boy with dry leaves, she had collected and showed the enemies a wrong direction. Later when he became the King of Thiruvithaankoor he has granted some acres of land in Chalian Vilai,near Thoduvetty [Marthandam] as his gift.But I do not find any official record to prove this.
Another story or history was about the refusal of my Nadar ancestors to give their girl as bride for the same Maharaja. Hence Nadars used to sing:Naadaalum Rajan aanaalum Nadaalvaan penn tharamaattom!
The moral I learnt from my father was: SERVE THE KING/NATION, BUT WITH DIGNITY.
Thank you very much. There are many real stories like this which are yet to be recorded. Please read our book "Dalapathy Veera Marthanda Varma"
N M MUTHUSWAMY wrote on Friday, 09th December 2011
Thanks. Try to be shorter in your comments to be understood by the viewers
karkuvelrajan wrote on Friday, 09th December 2011
.............. my family god is sri karkuvel ayyanar... he lived in 17th century, in his history he is also a "raja" at that period...... please collect corrct details about him and add his name in nadars history ...........
Thank you very much for your historical comments. If you can send details of history we shall try to include in our site. You too can join our research team.
N M MUTHUSWAMY wrote on Monday, 05th December 2011
some what better to argue, now a days we can find the name of shanar,sanar,sandror,moopan,gramani, nadan, in siberian iland one group of people living tradition of dravidian heierchy, they are following ritual of dravidian culture. what you say about them. In argentaina, brazil some group of people following the basic traditional culture of making madhu, alchokal from the different spices of agricultural fruits,herebals, froweres. what you can say about them.
Thanks for your sharp comments. After all the global race is an international community, The term Nadar and such phonetic expressions can be observed in different linguistic usages of the world. This indicates the antiquity of the race as well as their traditions.
In Canada and some parts of America there is a tree called "Maple Tree" from this tree people extract a juice equal to our toddy. They consider the tree as a tree of heaven, like our Kalpavriksha -Palmyra Palm.
Villavan wrote on Tuesday, 22nd November 2011
Saint Thomas in India - A Critical View
There is some truth in the Nadars involvement in the formation of Syriac Chrisitanity. 1) The Portuguese initially allegedly attempted to instal a Villavar ruler against the Cochin king in the 1500s. This is the Villarvattom ruler later converted to Christianity and assimilated by the Portuguese-Mestizo-Syriac Christianity.2)Vallikada Panickars(who survive in Kavana Vazhakkulam near Moovattupuzha and chengamanadu) and Maranadu Panickars (Kundara) Quilon could be Nadars but mixed with the Portuguese in the later days 3)Chinnathambi Annavi the Shakspeare of the Portuguese era is believed to have migrated from Southern Travancore who composed various Chavittu Nadakams in Tamil ( Karalman Geevarghese and Jesus stories). 4)Nadars were about 8.4 percent in the 1830 census. In the 1930 census they had shrunk to 3.2 percent. This is because of their migration to Marthoma Christianity and Latin Catholicism in the 19th century.
Thanks for your comments. There seems to be some truth in your observation
N M MUTHUSWAMY wrote on Thursday, 13th October 2011
PLEASE CONSIDER AND THE NADAR VARALARU WRITTEN BY DR. KESHAVA MOORTHY,PERUMAL ILLAM, FRONT PAGE WRITTEN BY LAWYER P. RJAMANICKAM, GURUNATHAN STREET, KARUR.
Thanks for you information
N M MUTHUSWAMY wrote on Thursday, 13th October 2011
KINDLY REFER THE KONGU NADAR VARALARU WRITTEN BY PULAVAR SHANMUGHA NADAR NAGARGOIL, HE IS VISITED THE KONGU REGEION AND SEEN SOME OF COPPER PLATES AVAILABLE AT THIRUCHENGODU SANTRORKULA NADAR MANDAPAM. IN YOUR RESEARCH KINDLY COLLECT AND DISPLAY THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE KONGU NADAR. DIFFERENCITATE THE KONGU VELLALA( KONGU VELIR).
Thanks for information
Jose Thomas wrote on Tuesday, 27th September 2011
Thanks for your valuable information, No mater whether we divided in Name, Language or Province but we all stays united in our Blood as Nadar Blood, Could you please provide some monthly magazines so that our family members also get to know more about our cast?
Thanks. Monthly magazine means: Money, time organisation and hard work you can also organise for that
Jose wesley wrote on Wednesday, 31st August 2011
I am christian Nadar basically from Trinelveli ( alangakulam),please suggest some Tamil Book for Nadar History
Thanks for your comments. You can buy the book "Arasakulasantrorum Madurai Kanchiyum" written by Nellai Nedumaran.
yegu nadar wrote on Sunday, 28th August 2011
nadar history is amazeing iam very proud
Thanks for your comments
Manish kumar K wrote on Tuesday, 16th August 2011
history of nadars...very useful and rare source of information...my compliments for putting up such a great work...
Thanks for your interest and comments
selvakumari robinson wrote on Monday, 08th August 2011
Simply superb! Proud to be a nadar. Sadly these days there is a lot of mixed matches and disintegration in the community. Women of this community ought to wake up like the Pandyan queens.
Thanks for the comments. There are changes in all aspects. So nothing wrong to go with times, of course, keeping our identity as sharp as possible.
Nadalvar wrote on Friday, 03rd June 2011
Continuation of Feb 2011 St.Thomas
In the Tamil Sangham Period there was no Christianity of Namboothiris in the ancient Tamil Nadu and Kerala.
During the reign of Imayavaramban Neduncheralathan in the fourth century AD all the kings upto Himalayas submitted to him according to poet Kannanar in Pathittupatthu. Nar Mudi Cheral was the Crown Prince of Neducheralathan. A new kingdom called Kadamba kingdom was established by a North Indian Brahmin called Mayura Sharma around 340 AD at Banavasi in Karnataka. Mayura Sharma renamed himself as Mayura Varma. This Kadamba King Mayura Varma facing threat from the powerful Chera Villavar Kings brought a group of Naga Slaves from
Ahichatra in the Uttar Panchala (Uttarkhand) in the Indo Nepalese border. The Nagas slaves brought to south India, Banavasi under the leadership of Brahmins. These Nagas were not allowed to marry or have families. So Matriarchy existed among them. Thus the Brahmins from Ahichatra were latter called Tulu Brahmins. When some of the Tulu Brahmins came to work in the Chera temples in the 8th century the formed the Namboothiri community (There is absolutely there is no evidence that Namboothiris had any role in the adminstration in the Later Chera kingdom as claimed by them). The Nagas of Banavasi were called Bantaru or Bunts (Bunta in Sanskrit means Bonded Slaves).With the help of the Bantas Kadambas continued to be the worst enemies of the ancient Chera Villavar kingdoms.Karnatakas Bunts and Keralas Nairs evolve from these Bantaru of Tulunadu. Infact Nayara Menava Maraalu Kuruba are Bunt surnames.Because of their Nepalese origin they display a fair complexion and with yellowish tinge and slight Mongoloid features.Newars of Nepal could be related to them. From these Buntas Karnatakas Bunts evolve. In the laterdays the Bantaru and Brahmins moved to south to the Tulu Pandyan kingdom ruled by Nadalvar (Nadava). When some of these Tulu Bunts invaded and occupied the Northern most areas of Kerala the Ezhimala (Kannur) after the fall of the Second Chera kingdom in 1100 AD the Bunt culture of Karnataka with Tulu roots came to Kerala. These kings of Ezhimala called themselves Mooshika Vamsham (Sanskritised Ezhimala Rat country). Kolathiris the rulers of Kannur were among the early Naga rulers with roots Ahichatra and Nepal.They practised Matriarchy.
After the invasion of Malik Kafur in 1309 AD all the Tamil Kingdoms were defeated and destroyed and Kerala was given to the Tulu Bunt/Nairs. Kolathiri became their supreme leader. This is because the Nagas of south India the the Bunt/Nairs and Naickers beccame the lords of South India while the true Dravidians of South were suppressed after the invasion of Malik Kafur in 1309. After 1314 all the Kerala came under the Naga rule and the ruling dynasties practised Matriarchy.
Thus the Bunts and Namboothiris were not related the Dravidian Tamils of ancient Sangham era Kerala and did not exist in that period.
When the Portuguese came the country was in the hands of Nairs and Namboothiris.
Before Portuguese arrival only few thousand Persian Christians who followed Nestorianism under the Eastern Orthodox church speaking middle eastern Pahlavi Kufic (Palestinian) and Hebrew. Tharisappalli Sasanam issued by the king Ay king Ayyandikal Thiruvadikal was the first ever Dravidian document mentioning Persian Christians in Kerala. In these Plates Persian Mar Sapir Easo and his friends had signed in three languages Pahlavi (Persian) Kufic(Palestinian) and Hebrew.
When the Portuguese soldiers came in the 1498 AD they formed a powerful Christian community in Kerala by marrying and keeping mistresses.The Nestorians had merged with these Portuguese. Only Catholics existed between 1498 to 1660 when the Portuguese left. The Portuguese mixed people display fair colour and Mulatto features. The Portuguese used St.Thomas legend to extend their power. According to them Saint Thomas visited Bombay Kalayan Cochin and Madras where they had established forts. The Portuguese mixed Christians of Kerala were given a preeminent position in the Cochin kingdom.Because of the Portugese Royal couple favoured the formation of a Mulatto community in India.Royal titles and money were given to the Portuguese who had and Indian family. Within 100 years the Christian population in Kerala exploded. Portuguese play a major role in the establishment of fair Christianity in Kerala. (Some Dravidian communities whom the Portuguese converted remained dark because they did not have Portuguese blood) The Portuguese soldiers married women from all over Asia. Cochin and nearby Kottayam and Thrissur and Quilon remained their strongholds.
After Portuguese left in 1660s Protestant Dutch came. The Syrian-Portuguese Catholics who could not accept Protestant religeon sent emissaries to various European Ministries. Pope who responded sent a Bishop to establish the Syro-Malabar sect in 1662. The rest wanted to join the Syrian religeon but not the earlier Nestorian sect but a New European sect. Thus Syro-Malankara sect was formed under the tutelage of Antioch under the Oriental Orthodox Christianity at 1665 AD.
None of the Sangham literature will confirm the existence of Christianity in the ancient Tamilakam.
Thiruvithankode Church was
founded when the British established estates in int 19th century.You can see the architecture. Is there anything ancient there ? Wherever rubber or pepper is there Syrian Christians will claim that St.Thomas had visited that place (meaning=It belongs to them) None of the Sangam Literature or any other old documents confirm the existence of such a church or Christianity in in ancient Dravidian country. Christianity was unknown to Tamils until the European Missionaries came in the 14th century.
Dear Mr. Nadalvar,
Your letter is too long, and quite confusing also. We do not encourage history books like “Keralolpathy” built on myths. As far as possible, we try to adhere to archaeology and other research books. The history of India, especially of the early Dravidian communities are to be re-written afresh. We need to collect basic facts of history rather than resting on myths and simple puranic vesions. Anyway, thanks for your certain comments. When you have authentic data based on archaeological evidences, you are welcome to bring out your findings in the form of a book.
justin wrote on Friday, 27th May 2011
Dear Sir, I have been seeing your website for the last six months. It gives wonderful information on Nadars. In the traditional historical writings there are many black holes. what are they? why have they created like that? here I am pointing out the our fore historians only...we don't tell only our political history, we don't accept anything as it is regards our community, something may have fabricated by someone else. so what are the yardstick we have to measure our society's works. every where nadars have been developed by kamaraj, soundharapandian, marshal nesmani, ayyaa vaikundar like that voices we can hear. That only not enough to our society. Our way is very long...what is that? really we have been standing in this land lost our culture with the effect of sanskritization process. Let us think like what was our culture? what is our culture? where are we now? as a politically today we have been slaved by our party politics. Do we have any good party supporters? do we have any real voice raiser in the assembly or parliament behalf our community? today we are being exploited by the electoral politics. Dear friends think it once today where we are...don't compromise until our you die....
Thanks for your comments, short and sweet. We welcome such positive comments.
Thank you very much.
sudharsan wrote on Sunday, 08th May 2011
Gud info try to include info about the nadars of elaayirampannai....my grand father suryaraj nadar B.A.B.L was the joint com. HR bnd CE tamilnadu and was a grdeat lawyer who fought for natrajar statue a case given den in london..... sry fr the splng mistakes coz x my phmone dsnt ajlw me to erase.......
Thanks. But you must provide more clear details. We shall try to include if found valid.
Jay Nadar wrote on Saturday, 23rd April 2011
Why is Thever Caste added to List Of Forward Castes in Tamil Nadu and Why is Nadar Caste added to List Of Backward Castes in Tamilnadu.
We do not entertain unhealthy comments to contradict Govt. policies and contradictions.
birla wrote on Wednesday, 02nd March 2011
Usefull then i like it
Thanks. Your comments are too short. Try to elaborate constructively.
Villavan wrote on Tuesday, 01st March 2011
The Villavar - Nadalvar Kingodm of ancient South India included most of the four states and also the present day Madhyapradesh. The Villavar people three land tribes. The Villavar,Vanavar and Malayar and a sea going Meenavar tribe (not the present day). Pandya Kingdom could be as old as 10000 to 12000 years old. The first Tamil Sangham lasted for 4300 Years, the Second for about 3700 years and the last one lasted for about 1850 years. Most of the European researchers and their Aryan assistants from Karnataka and Madras tried to reduce the antiquity of the Pandyan Kingdom to just to 2000 years. The Early Pandyan kingdom had Hill (twin hills) to represent the Malayar people. The Pandyan king was called Malayathuvaja Pandyan. Malai = Hill Thwaja = Flag (Sanskrit). Similarly the Pandyan king was also called Saranghadwajan indicating his Villavar origins. Sarangha = Bow (Vil) and Dhawaja = Flag. Malayathwaja Pandyan and Sarangha Dwaja Pandyan are mentioned in the Mahabharatha. The ancient Pandyan kingdom was atleast having Kerala, Tamil Nadu and Southern Karnataka and Sri Lanka during the Mahabharatha era (1500 BC).Nadar or Nadalvars are the mixture of all these Villavar tribes ie Villavar, Malayar, Vanavar and Meenavars. When the Villavars mixed with Meenavars they assumed the title Nadalvar. The Dravidian ancient Pandyan kingdom of Villavars and Meenavars were attacked by Nagas from North India before 2500 years. Nagas were not Dravidians but a completely different race. Dravidians, Nagas and Aryans are the three primary races of ancient India. The Nagas were ethnically and culturally different people from Dravidian Tamils of the Paandyan kingdom. Kalithokai mentions the fierce war fought between the Villavar Meenavar armies and the Nagas, in which the Villavar Meenavars lost the central India to Nagas. Various Naga tribes started migrating to Pandya Maravar, Oviar, Eyinar and Aruvalar and Parathavar are few of these. Among these the Eyinar joined the Villavar-Nadalvars of Pandyan kingdom while the rest were antagonistic to the Pandyan kingdom. Parathavar will eventually replace the Meenavar people in the early years of christ. Pandyan kingdom had existed many thousand years earlier to the arrival of the Naga tribes arrived Pandyan kingdom. The Early Pandyan capitals had been at Then Madurai at Kumarikkandam and Kapada puram later. Finally the present Vada Madurai became capital. Korkai Ko + Irukkai (Tuticorin) was the major port city. Tenkasippatinam was the Royal household lived and was the seat of power. Because Tamiraparni river ran close to the Royal house. Sri Lanka was under the Pandyan Villavar kings. Sri Lanka was called Tambapani or Taprobane (in Greek) for the same reason. The early Naga invasions came through the Orissa and Andhrapradesh area and these Nagas from north were called Vada Nagas or Vadugas. Before 2000 years the Early Pandyan Kingdom was broken into the Pandyan kingdom of Madurai which ruled Southern Tamil Nadu and South
Thanks for the comment. There are a cluster of historical facts mixed up nowadays. We have to filter them up through deeper study.
S.SARAVANAN wrote on Monday, 28th February 2011
Thanks for all Information.........Nadar Caste.
You are welcome
Prince Durai Pandian Nadar wrote on Friday, 25th February 2011
I want 2 knw how many sub-castes in Nadar community with the correct name. I think there are 7 sub-castes in Nadar community. What are they? Add the name of Thiravia Nadar, Chembulingam Nadar, Karate David Selwyn Nadar, Arivanandha Pandian Nadar. Thiravia Nadar is my forefather; He sell all his property and buy land then give this free to Nadar peoples. This people request Him to name this village as "Thiraviapuram" but he refused & named as Sriregunathapuram and Rosemiapuram who had sold their land to Him and also He freely give many acres of land to palmya climbers. Thiravia Nadar and Karma Veerar Kamarajar are friends and also that He and Chembulingam Nadar are also frinds. Chembulingam Nadar was a robinhood who had fought against British people. Karate David Selwyn Nadar was a don who died for Nadars. Arivanandha Pandian Nadar was also died for Nadars.
Thanks for the comments.
We will bring more updates shortly.
Deepak wrote on Thursday, 24th February 2011
There are so many sites for our caste.This site gives clear and new information's.
I have a request for you.
The Request is:There are so many Nadar Personalities,all our sites were giving information about the same or few people. It will be so useful if you try to collect more information about Nadar Personalities.
Thanks for the comments.
Pl. give details with proofs. Also we feel it is collective responsibility to do such expansion matters which involves hard work, time, money and many of such things. You can get involved with us. Welcome.
Nadalvar wrote on Wednesday, 09th February 2011
It is quite unfortunate that the St Thomas legend is found in a Pro Dravidian website.Your religious convictions should not distort the ancient history of Dravidians as the European colonizers such as Portuguese, Dutch and British did. The British demeaned the Dravidian culture.
According to the Persian records of Edessa Mesopotomia, a book called Acts of Saint Thomas written by a jewish priest of Persia called Bardesan at 220 AD clearly states that Saint Thomas was invited by king Gondophorus of Taxila in Paksitan, Indus Valley. Gondophorus gave money to St.Thomas, a master architect of his age to build a palace for himself. Howver the Good Prophet spend the money for the poor without attempting to build the palace. The furious Gondophorus threw St.Thomas into the prison. Shortly following this incidence Gad the brother of Gondophorus fell ill. In his death bed Gad entered heaven and was surprised to see a magnificient new palace built at heaven. However the guards at the palace did not allow Gad to enter the palace explaing that the Palace was built for Gondophorus not for Gad. However Gad was cured and came back alive. Gondophorus hearing the story was much impressed with Saint Thomas and allowed him to leave the country.
(Portuguese and Syrian Christians in the laterday created a legend that Gondophorus was a Tamil king ruling Madras called Kandappar) .
All the Persian records suggest that St Thomas visited the Indo-Parthian kingdom where people spoke Persian and Greek and Roman the languages known to Jews of that era. The area mentioned in Persian records was not India but the adjoining areas of Indo Persian border, the Indus Valley.
Saint Thomas then went to a nearby Kingdom called the kingdom of Misdeus or Mazdai perhaps situated at Indus valley or Persia proper. King Misdeus was infuriated when Saint Thomas converted his wife Tertia, son Juzanus, sister in law Princess of Mygdonia Ministers called Syphorus Carisus etc. Saint Thomas was martyred at Calamina perhaps at Persian gulf at the instance of King Misdeus. http://www.gnosis.org/library/constom.htm
All these names are Greek and not in Tamil. There is no evidence that any Chera Tamil kings converted to Christianity. It is said that Christianity acquired the ideals and monastics system from Buddhism and not vice versa.
The European colonizers popularized the story that St.Thomas came to Kerala and converted Namboothiri Brahmins to Christianity. Namboothiirs did not exist in the ancient Kerala. Namboothiris were Brahmins from Uttarpradesh who hail from a city called Ahichatra in the Indo-Nepalese border. When a North Indian Brahmins called Mayura Sharma became the king of the Kadamba kingdom in Karnataka he changed his name to Mayuravarma. This Mayuravarma is credited with bringing these Brahmins and Nagas from Uttarkhand and Nepal to Banavasi the Kadamba capital in the year 345 AD. Under the Brahmin leadership bands of Nagas (Bunts/Nagas) were brought to south india as slav..... (Sorry sir due to technical issue we didn't receive your full message, kindly post your remaining message we will add here - Thanks Admin)
The Britisher, Dutch , etc., came much later than St. Thomas. There is a Church built by St. Thomas,in around 60 AD, at Thiruvithamcode. The Hindus took it for a temple but as they saw the Cross, etc., in it, they abandoned it, in the early sixties of AD. Now it is under the control of the Malankara Syrians. During the time of St. Thomas there was no Brahmins here in the south. Only after the 11th century, they begin to prop up. Our history has been marred by the British, the new comers and by many writers . Inscriptions show a flow of history till 11th century AD. Then after the
Muslim invasions and etc., our history was further mutilated. The present Caste system is seen promoted only after 7th and 8th century AD, especially after Sankaracharya. Our Nadar records are burnt out and destroyed. We have to go ahead with the rudiments of records. Even among the Inscriptions, out of 2,20000 Inscriptions, only some 80000 are made published. We are not allowed to get access to our records. Why? The agents working for the immigrant's cause made further destruction's. Nadars are indifferent to their history due to 500 yrs suppression by the Aryan dominance. Yet, our blood group confirms that we are the fittest Royal group, through the DNA. Let us do honest research from the Ocean of Knowledge scattered in the world. The Depiction and a record preserved in the present Goa Museum shows a SANTOR PURI of Nadars, in the then Maharashtra in 2200 BC. So you can imagine the antiquity of Nadars.
Jay wrote on Tuesday, 08th February 2011
Please help me getting the list of branches under Nadar Community.
Pl. purchase the books given in the site
Samraj wrote on Monday, 07th February 2011
Excellent piece of work to show the real history of Indian rulers. History note book often tells the winner story which are manipulated and foul-played by means of Sanskritization which causes the destruction of Mahavira and Buddhism followers in India.
There are many Indian kings with the name "Varman". Is there any links?
Also can you establish the Chola trade links with Greater India Region – This refers to the historical spread of the culture of India introduced by the Indianized kingdoms of the 2nd to 15th centuries by the Indian traders, which includes Burma (Burmese Indians), Cambodia and Laos(Khmer Empire), Thailand, Vietnam (Cham people), Malaysia and Indonesia(Srivijayan kingdom of Sumatra), Java (Singhasari kingdom, Majapahit kingdom), Bali, Borneo and Sulawesi, Singapore and The Philippines. In my opinion, if those kingdoms are formed by Dravidian (Kshatriya) kings then definitely it would have been done with sword, on the other hand if it is done by Aryan kings then it would have been done through marriage (female) relations
Also provide the historical change periods more clearly like spread of Buddhism and cause of destruction in India, Spread of Sanskritization with the help of kings Andhapuram (back door entry to gain power), Spread of Islam in India as well as South East Asia, Spread of Christianity and impacts to the society
please keep up the good work and work towards perfection for the Indian Rulers Banyan Tree.
Thanks. Many studies are yet to be undertaken. We need honest and sincere scholars. The word "Varma" is a comparatively later intrusion into the Kshatriyahood given to Nadars by the later Aryan immigrants. Initially it was only as "Naden" meaning, Man or Ruler of the land. This Tamil work continued all through 19th century, with certain branches following Varna given by Aryans. Initially, almost from the 10th century AD, this word is being used as "Vanmar" meaning Great or Valourous. We need to do lot of Inscriptional works as historical research.
D.Muthu Kumar Nadar. wrote on Sunday, 30th January 2011
Hi thats very nice
Thanks to Mr.Muthu Kumar.
Remigius xavier wrote on Wednesday, 26th January 2011
Valuable is the work you doing for our community. It can be very effective to bring Nadar communities around India together. I would suggest a discussion forum or a monthly e-newsletter where ideas, can be shared and people can get involved.
Thanks for the comments. But, floating discussion forum has got some demerits because there are certain groups who wants to infiltrate just to 'Destroy" the purpose and essence of the Site. We need scholars and learned historians to give their comments to promote the true history of India and through it, the very ancient cultural community of India, the Nadars, with their several branches in India and abroad.
Govindaraj wrote on Monday, 17th January 2011
Tamil nadu Government's tree is PALM TREE.2000 years ago nadars wrote many books in palm leaves.Ninety percent of the nadars realise and believe that we are the pandians or pandaiyar. some maravars in devar caste claim we were the army warriors in pandian dynasty and listed in 18th century records. Nellai Nedumaran(rearch scientist) says they are cholas and have built temple in tanjure. But small portion of nadars are cholas. True capital of pandians are Korkai and latter it was shifted to madurai because of nayak invasion. So we accept small portion of maravars were in pandian dynasty. you can see pandiya kula nadars in some areas. most of the karukku pattaiyathar are pandia kula vamsam. So the Tamilnadu governmet should announce Nadar history is pandian history and Devar history is Cholas history in gassette. Kulasekara pandian, parakirama pandian, ilamvazhuthi,marans are Nadar kings.Nowadays many people use these titles. Mara Nadar or Marans may be misrepresented as MARAVANS OR MARAVARS(DEVAR CASTE) in 18th century british records but many books of nadar and nadar historians say nadars are pandians in dravidian race and pandians are nadars. Kings are always royals in history and not as warriors.Some shanars(nadars) were warriors as maravars(devar caste) in pandian or nadar dynasty. Expecting your reply. Dont consider poor english.
Thanks for your comments. Our Sangam period did not have a specified Caste system as we have now, which is brought by the Manu Neethi.
Once the Dravidian community was all one and together. But, the Ruling community shows very unique quality of bloodgroup as in the Nadars. This is something separating us from others.
As for Govt. decisions, there is nobody among us, especially from the ‘Rich and well todo lots’ to fight for this cause. Our politicians too are weak, after K.Kamaraj Nadar, So we have to wait..
Srinivasan wrote on Saturday, 15th January 2011
Dear Srinivas, Thanks
sugaanraj wrote on Tuesday, 11th January 2011
Dear brothers, I am proud to carry a blood of a nadalwar, and I pray that this website goes a long way without any detrimental factors,please include Nadars who went to Malaya as I from Malaysia and need our community here to stand together proudly of our ancestors.
Kindly give addresses and details of Prominent Nadars to us, we will srutinise and include in our site. Please help us for it.
Sasikanth Arunachalam wrote on Wednesday, 22nd December 2010
Its really good to see a site that discuss in depth about nadars and no other site gives such great information about ourself. Keep the good work. Im amazed to see a lot of books about us in this site and nowhere-else I could see information about these books. Great work.
Thanks for the comment. You can also involve with our research efforts.
Sellam, Pragasapuram wrote on Tuesday, 07th December 2010
Dear Sir, In Nadars there is a branch called mukandars, can you shed more light in it sir? Because My ancestors where called mukandars but pitifully i dont have any history about Mukandars! kindly help
Right now I am unable to trace out this link. But, there is a book, Amararpuranam telling about the link of ancient nadars. When I get time, I shall refer to it and inform you. Pl. remind me now and then.
Nanmaaran wrote on Tuesday, 07th December 2010
We are much proud of our Tamil culture and our Nadar community. We were once the deprived community and now we are the developed one. But still our fellow deprived people like Pallar, Parayar, Navithar, Vannar, Sakkiliar are ill-treated in every walk of life. Instead of speaking proud things, we need to help them to come up. We need to unite with them and give social security and status as much our capacity. We need to declare them as Nadar or we need to come in one umbrella with one common name that is comfortable to them. This kind of act only will uplift the deprived people and bring social justice. This social justice will eventually bring nationalism.
Thanks to Nanmaaran. The Vannar and Kavithys are surely a part of the nadars, who were working for them in the family fold. The other castes mentioned by you do not come directly in the list of 39 branches of Nadars, as prescribed by the early Govts. of Tamilnadu and Kerala. But, as a larger Dravidian community, there are more than 300 sub-castes in India who can come under the common title of Nadars. Nadars were originally the sons of the soil, as the word indicates and then thrown down by the Aryans, and they have organized themselves and have come up again to the top at present. This is good example to be followed by all classes of India.
Arivu Maran wrote on Tuesday, 07th December 2010
People of Kizhavaneri (near vallioor) in Tirunelveli District claiming that their ancestors are Porayar from Tanjavore region. It is registered in several website and you can google it. Please have some look on that. That my lead to some royal linkage of Nadars. Best wishes.
Dear Mr.Arivu Marran Thanks for your comments. Yes, the Poraiyar is one of the earliest branches of the Nadars who were ruling Travancore, now spread to many parts of India. The word means "Peace Loving People" just like the Saints of Jains (Mahavira). Their early history is marred by the Aryan invasion. The founder of Nadar Samgam was a "Porraiyar Nadar". More details are welcome.
Anon wrote on Tuesday, 07th December 2010
A Nadar Zamindar Nattathi Nadars where the Zamindars of Nattathi.Nattathi Nadars are the sect amoung the nadars having the Zamindari tradition. Nadan, the Lord of Nattathi was believed to be from the lines of pandyas was a feudatory of the Kattabomma Nayaka, and his family was given Zamindari rights under the British Empire.He attained special "Sannad" which empowered him to travel in palanquin.Palanquins where also long used by the Nadan aristocracy of Tiruchendur. The last Zamindar Of nattathi Zamin Family was “Vaikunda Thiruvaluthi Nadar” who expired on 1892 his large properties where under legal dispute and it was divided among large number of claimants.
Thanks to the “Unknown writer” . But, please give your name or identity. Yes, the Nattaathi Nadans were the branch of the Pandyas. They were superior to the Nayaka supremacy before 1664 AD or a little earlier. After the Vijayanagara Empire, the Pandyans were reduced because of their in-fight among the brothers and the down fall starts from this period. Vaikunda Nadan is included inour photo gallery. You can give more information.
S.L.Shibu Perumal wrote on Tuesday, 07th December 2010
Caste system of Kerala or India can eradicate.
Thanks to S.L.Sibu Perumal. We are for eradicating ‘Caste System’ in India, if the Government will bring ‘Regulation and Strict Rules’ on this. Our site is only the “History part of a Neglected or Wrongly understood Community” which has got a broad spread all over India..
Willington Nadar wrote on Tuesday, 07th December 2010
A compact data is available about our community ... We have to register all the names of our peoples in the country
Thanks to Willington Nadar. Impossible to list out all the Nadars. But, pl. give names of very prominent Nadars. We will try to accommodate.
Villavan wrote on Tuesday, 07th December 2010
Nadars are Villavar-Meenavar people who were the original Tamils or Dravidians. The Dravidians were opposed by Nagas and Aryans from North India. In ancient times the Villavar Meenavar (The ancient Meenavar people are merged with the Nadars. The ancient Meenavars were replaced by Parathavar an ethnically not related Naga tribe during the Sangam age (300 BC to 400 AD).The Villavar + Meenavar = Nadalvar or Nadar who became the rulers of Pandyan kingdom. Villavar ruled the Chera kingdom. The Pandyan kingdom was repeatedly attacked by Nagas. Kalithokai an ancient Tamil book mentions the war between Villavar-Meenavars against the Nagas perhaps around 1000 BC or earlier. In this great war the Villavars lost the Central India, the present Madhaya pradesh area. In the later period many Naga tribes joined or infiltrated the Villavar kingdoms. Various Naga tribes mentioned in the Sangam literature are Maravar Eyinar, Oviar Aruvalar etc.Among these Eyinar might have joined the Villavar - Nadars.Enadhi Nayanar the Nadar saint is mentioned as Illa Kula Chanrar Enadhi (Villavar Kula Chanrar Eyinan Adhi) The Nagas continuosly came to south from the present day Orissa area.The various Naga tribes were hostile to the Pandyan kingdom. Kalabhras invaded and subjugated between 300 - 600 AD. Kalabhras and Nagas joined and were opposed the Pandyan rule which was reinstated around 600 AD.Pandyan kingdom and Chera kingdom were replaced by Nagas from north Nairs (Bunt (community) of Tulunadu and Naicker from Andrapradesh who had joined the invading forces of Malik Kafur in 1310. Some of the Kalabhras and Nagas became agriculturists. Nadars had to face the Kalabhra Nagas who joined hands with the Vadugas in the 16th century. Nadar power declined as the Muslims and Nagas (Naicker and Nairs) started ruling from this period onwards. In the 19th century Nadar community came under attack by Naga,Kalabhra and Vadugas instigated by Aryan Brahmins (Narmadha Brahmins originally natives of Narmadha area in Gujarat.The women of Narmadha Brahmins still wear the sari in the Konkani style. The large Narmadha Brahmins though now talk Tamil appear in Tamil Nadu only after the Vijayanagara Naickers rose to power. Nadars are the remnants of an ancient Alwar Nadalvar people equivalent to Kshatriya in Dravidian land.
Yes, Mr.Villavan, There is, basically and hereditarily, no difference between the Villavas and Meenavas who were the early "Bharatavas" making the Indian culture. They were also engaged in foreign trade. But the "Nagas" were not the born-enemies of Villava Nadars. Nagas too were the scion of Dravidian race. There were in-fights between the brother communities many times. The "Einars" mentioned in the Sangam literature were the early warriors. From this the word "Eanathy" which has taken shape as "Senathi", in due course, comes. This "Eanathi" is a term applied to the Ezhava communities and Nadars. There is an 'Epigraphic evidence ' for this. It is referred to as "Eanathy Nayanar" which is made applicable in the later stage even to the Marvars. We were all one Dravidian community, in spite of all the differences created by the 'Caste System' of present times. The "Bunt or Bhunt" community of Tulunadu were considered , historically, as belonging to the Shanan or Santor (learned people of high origin - also referred to Toddy taping) branch of Ezhavas and Nadalwars. Lately, there is an effort from Aryan or Semi-Aryans mixed communities like the Brahmins or Nairs to include all the learned or top ranking personalities with them. We will strive to trace our aboriginal Dravidian roots spread all over India. The term "Kshatriya" is or, was, a trap set by the Aryans to divide the aboriginal Indian Tamil community spread all over India. Its original term was "Naden" = Chief or the Ruler of the Land. We have to strive to rise up from the entrapped fall.
Thank you very much Villava.
Karthik Surya Nadar wrote on Monday, 29th November 2010
Dear sir here i am very happy to find our web page, and my samall suggestion can u develop this site tamil language also, if we create in tamil lot off our peoples will see our website, and they also knowing abt our community spl. thanks and regards KARTHIK SURIYAN NADAR
Thanks to Karthik Suryan Nadar. It is a good suggestion to include Tamil versions too. We will try to give at least small information in Tamil.
Jambu wrote on Monday, 29th November 2010
What about actor Sarath & tennis champion Amirtharaj please add.
Hi Jambu, Yes, Sarath Kumar is a Nadar. But no further comments at present. About Vijay Amrit Raj, no full information is available about his pedigree. Can include if full details are given.
S.Jambukeswaran wrote on Monday, 29th November 2010
Please mention some nadar people near Allahabad,u.p
Thanks to Jambukeswaran. List of Nadars in Allahabad are not available with us. You can help us if possible. But, the General Names of Title under the Nadar category, around Allahabad can be said as: Nanda, Choudhury, Mandal, Jayswal, Kalal, Bhoumick, Khetri, Talwar, Agarwal, etc.
Deepan wrote on Saturday, 27th November 2010
I proud to be Nadar..
Thank u so much.
Thanks to Mr.Deepan.
We are glad that you feel proud to be a "Nadar" The word "Santor" means a Proud warriors who stands for Truth and Righteousness. So they have fought many wars for justice. Thanks
Prince Durai Pandian Nadar wrote on Friday, 12th November 2010
I am very proud for your responsibilities about our Nadar(NR) caste. Please tell "How many sub-castes are in Nadar(NR) community include Tamilnadu, Kerala and all over India; And also "We want to know about the other castes which are linked or related with Nadar(NR) caste".
Thanks to Mr.Durai Pandian Nadar.
According to Census report of India, (Tamilnadu and Kerala), there are 39 branches under the Nadar community. The important one is the Trippapur dynasty of ruling branch. Now they too have many sub-branches. In the All India level, 250 branches are traced out. But, there are still scope to research more . We need True Research students to work on it.
Shivraj wrote on Thursday, 11th November 2010
It is heartening to note the illustrous history of Nadars through the web site!
The history of Nadars are made very confusive mainly because of Aryan foulplay. Apart from that there are some other classes working like the agents of the Aryans. They also contribute to de-route the history of Nadars. For example the Nair community (C.V. Raman Pillai) betrayed the true history of Dalapathi Ananthapadmanabhan Nadar of Travancore ( AD 1748). Now the same Nairs wrongly claim (During the last one year) the Bhunt community of Karnataka who were an ancient branch of Nadar Community. So let us be careful and aware of our roots in re-writing our history!
Your comments are very true about the destruction of the history of Nadars as you say.
Villavan wrote on Tuesday, 19th October 2010
Sri Lanka was known as Tamraparani or Taprobane or after the homeland of Pandyan dynasty which ruled from the banks of Tamraparani with their Royal house at Tenkasi.(Sri Lanka was also called Serendib or Cherandeevu).http://livingheritage.org/taprobane.htm
The two clans of Pandyas and Cheras could be the founders of the Pandyan dynasty at Anuradhapuram.http://kalanir.freehostia.com/anuradapura.html
King Pandukhabaya ruled the Anuradha Puram kingdom otherwise called Thammanna kingdom (Thamraparani kingdom).Panaya Mara ruled between 104 BC to 88 BC and might belong to the Mara Nadalvar of Pandyan dynasty.Nalavars of Sri Lanka could have been Nadalvars of Pandyan heritage.
Yes, there have been close contact with the Cheras, Pandyas and even Cholas with Sri Lanka. Almost in the 1st century BC or sometime before 2nd century AD, there were Soldiers sent from the Chola country to Sri Lanka. It is the Tamils of Chola army who had eventually settled down in Anuradhapuram. The name of Lanka as "Sinhalam" is accredited to this Chola army having taken the Lion faced son of one of the Cholas. There are many 'to and fro' migrations from Tamil Pandyas and the Tamil Cheras to Lanka and vice versa. Olden histories and the racial links are now almost buried with the disintegration of the Jains and Buddhists.
Vijay wrote on Thursday, 26th August 2010
Nice site. Try perfecting it!
Thanks to Vijay.
We will try towards perfection.
Heric Samji wrote on Friday, 20th August 2010
Short and sweet. Am sure this site will be a useful piece of history. Can be a little more colourful and illustrious. My best wishes to you.
Thanks to Heric Samji
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